Astra Service 20,000 mile,,Philip & Alan re - Reply

Discussion in 'Astra' started by Mike, Jan 31, 2004.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    A few weeks ago I posted a Question about the Items on an Astra Service, and
    had replies from a chap called Philip and also from Alan, I promised to let
    the group know how the service went, we are a family who have several forms
    of experience, Electrical Mechanical, Heating, Building etc, and it has to
    be said that the only time we ever have problems, is when so called
    professionals are called in, EG a corgi registered fitter did a crap job on
    a gas pipe on our fire, a firm of installers used by B&Q spent 8 Months
    fitting and then putting right all their work on a one week job, etc ,etc .
    So as we had to have a service on the Astra to keep the warranty going ( the
    car was bought from and service done by nation wide firm ) and fully aware
    that good service in anything these days is very scarce, I first checked all
    the items on the service list in the car handbook, then as the pressure in
    the spare tyre was specifically mentioned in the Vauxhall service book ( car
    was not serviced by a Vauxhall Garage ) I reduced the pressure in the spare
    to 17lbs, and then placed a large leaf on the carpet above the spare wheel
    compartment, to see if it was disturbed during the service, the result was
    as follows, wife took car to service centre, was given a courtesy car, wife
    drove courtesy car noticed it was a poor ride etc ,found car had a flat
    tyre,12 lbs ,,,, inflated it at nearby garage, on taking courtesy car back
    wife told girl at service counter she had been given a car with a flat
    tyre,,, the reply was that it had only just come back late the night
    before,,,,no apology ,,, no thought of the consequences of an accident
    caused by their defective car,,Wife collected Astra,, at home I checked oil,
    oil filter, etc etc OK, then I open the boot and the Leaf is still in the
    same position as placed before, checked pressure in spare,,,YES 17 lbs,
    never even had mat up or checked the tread depth.
    So we phone the service desk, tell them what we found,,,and are told by the
    service manager that they don't check tyre pressures, obviously not a
    thinking man, far better to say OH dear very sorry we missed that, etc.
    no the idiot actually said they didn't check tyre pressures.
    So I very calmly phoned the manager and told him what had happened, he was
    very sorry and said he could not understand why we were told that pressures
    were not checked, I suggested to him that the reason was that the service
    department did not check pressures, in spite of the fact that, he and I,
    and more to the point the Vauxhall service guide say it should be done, I
    then asked him what he was going to do about all the recent customers who
    had not had their spare tyre checked for tread or pressure, it went very
    quiet, he said he would have a word with the service department, ( Very good
    of him ) I told him about the service department giving the wife a
    defective/dangerous car with a flat tyre, ( It's a good job this is not the
    USA ) because his scandalous reply was that, yes, if it came in late the
    night before, there would have been no time to check it, for oil etc. I
    asked him if it was worth the chap who drove the car out of their pound
    taking 20 seconds to walk around the car and give the tyres a visual. I got
    all the claptrap that you would expect from a firm who have no answers to
    the mess they get themselves in when the only thing they want, is our
    money, and the product or service is flawed. I was assured that the next
    service will be better. That's nice.
     
    Mike, Jan 31, 2004
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  2. Mike

    mike Guest

    Just about every dealer is the same, not just Vauxhall.
    Sadly, pretty much standard practice nowadays

    mike

    <<snip>>
     
    mike, Jan 31, 2004
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  3. Mike

    Gio Guest

    Hi Mike, just a bit confused. Was your car actually serviced by an official
    Vauxhall garage or a garage who claimed to do the same Vauxhall service as
    stated in the Vauxhall service schedule and use Vauxhall parts etc but at a
    lower price ? As a yard stick our Zafira cost £120 for a 20K service (To
    keep the 3rd year warrantee etc).

    Gio
     
    Gio, Jan 31, 2004
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  4. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Hi Gio,,, Arnold Clark Motors


     
    Mike, Feb 1, 2004
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  5. Mike

    Gio Guest

    That says it all ;-) Our local AC's were offering vat free servicing just
    before Christmas but we opted to take our car 20 miles away to get serviced.
    The other company picked the car up from work and returned it. I was happy
    with their work because like you, I noted certain parts. In my case the
    spare tyre was removed during the service, inflated and replaced (it was
    refitted the opposite way up under the boot and so was easily spotted when
    the car was returned.) The only failing was one screw on the passenger side
    centre console that was not fully tightened -following the pollen filter
    change-.

    Regarding AC, have you ever looked at the web site devoted to AC and his
    company antics ? I dropped in on the site when trying to get a bit of
    background on possible car faults prior to buying the Zafira. It makes
    interesting reading.

    http://www.arnoldsucks.com/
     
    Gio, Feb 1, 2004
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  6. Mike

    Alan Guest

    That is not fair. Most Main Dealers are honest and do a decent job.

    In this case he did not even go to a Vauxhall main dealer. A Vauxhall dealer
    would at least have done all of the items on the service schedule as they
    would have the proper check-sheet to work from.

    With regards to the courtesy car, this is a difficult one. We carry out a
    visual inspection every time they go out and we do a complete levels/lights
    check and clean every weekend. Occasionally we do miss things but we do at
    least check them regularly unlike most of the cars that are brought into us
    by customers!

    --

    Alan


    New & used Vauxhall cars & vans, servicing, repairs & parts
    www.steeles.co.uk

    Vauxhall CD players & handbooks
    http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/vauxhallradiosales
     
    Alan, Feb 2, 2004
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  7. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Alan I will accept that some Main dealers do a good job, but also I hope you
    will accept that in most cases, whatever service you recieve from so called
    professionals, these days, it is poor, most don't give a toss, in my case
    how on earth can it be justified to give a customer a car that has ,,,, by
    the managers own words, was late coming in and so was not checked over,,,
    and had an almost flat tyre, As for Main dealers they can be just as crap as
    a back street garage, FACT ,,I took a car of mine to a main dealer to have a
    new power steering pump fitted, No checks were done after the pump was
    fitted just starting of the engine and a test of the steering, it was then
    handed over to me and my Family to use on the road, two month later the
    clutch failed, and why ? Because the main dealer had fitted the pump in such
    a way that the metal part of the pump hose had been tightened upand fitted
    in such a position that it rubbed against the clutch pipe and the brake pipe
    that run along the inside bulkhead in the engine compartment, and finally
    punctured the pipe and the fluid ran out... the brake pipe was also rubbed
    almost through by the pump hose and just removing it from the clip snapped
    it.
    for every firm or company that does a good job, there are twenty who don't
    give a shit, and only want your cash, same but very true
     
    Mike, Feb 2, 2004
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  8. Mike

    Ken Morrow Guest

    Mike,

    I think you were lucky to get he major items done (e.g. oil and filter
    changed).
    My experience of my first and only Vauxhall dealer service (on a 02 reg
    Vectra)
    was that the oil was as black as when I took it in,
    (I would guess the filter was not changed either).
    and the service sheet was ticked to say that the wheel bolt torque was
    checked, even though the
    tie wraps I put on when I got the car, to hold on the hub caps, had not been
    removed.
    The manager of the service dept just was not interested, and kept repeating
    that everything had
    been done (He insited that new oil is black these days!).
    I think I paid my £120 or so just for a stamp in the book.
    There is no way I am taking my car back there again.

    Can anyone recommend any GOOD (or even reasonable!) main dealers
    (epecially near Milton Keynes, my car is due its 2nd service soon).

    Many Thanks,

    Ken.
     
    Ken Morrow, Feb 2, 2004
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  9. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Snip >>>>

    Well Ken as you and I know, even though they should be looking after their
    customers, they just don't give a toss, or even less, they have no morals ,,
    etc etc etc they are just professional Robbers, every year Millions of
    pounds of hard earned money is ripped from the grasp of tens of thousands of
    people who only want a reasonable job doing, on their home or car,,We even
    have TV programs dedicated to these rob dogs, their professional Mugging/
    robbery is caught on camera, but still the most they can expect as far as i
    can see is perhaps a visit from the consumer people...AND THAT is why they
    all carry on as they do.. The Law in not bothered about them ,,,or more to
    the point not bothered about US. Try going to the police station and
    telling them that you have definite proof that a garage has charged for a
    job but only done part of it, and in doing so have put your life at some
    risk, EG tyre pressures left below safe margin, tyre tread not checked,etc
    etc. as you know you would be shown the door, and told to see a lawyer, not
    very cost effective. And the answer to all this .....well I'm willing to
    listen.

    PS I will be changing the oil they put in for some good stuff,
     
    Mike, Feb 3, 2004
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  10. Mike

    Alan Guest

    That is a load of cr*p and a generalisation. As with most businesses, most
    of us are honest & reliable. Of course we all make occasional faults but, if
    we do, we rectify them promptly.

    In the same way, there are honest double glazing companies out there.

    We have been trading for 75 years and I have been in the business for 25
    years. I can honestly say that I have never had anything other than a
    routine 'visit from Trading Standards' in that time. I have certainly had
    'issues' with customers but in virtually all of the cases we have dealt with
    the matter fairly and retained them as customers.

    Having said that, we are members of the Retail Motor Industry Federation and
    have signed up early for the new Carwise 'garage regulation' scheme.

    Please don't tar all garages with the same brush.

    --

    Alan


    New & used Vauxhall cars & vans, servicing, repairs & parts
    www.steeles.co.uk

    Vauxhall CD players & handbooks
    http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/vauxhallradiosales
     
    Alan, Feb 4, 2004
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  11. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Ok Alan I take your point, but only about your garage, and the few others
    dotted about, And I don't tar all garages with the same brush, Most are not
    as good as yours, most are crap in one way or another, and they are, daubed
    with the same brush,,,,I'm not sure how old you are but if you are old
    enough to have spent the last 25 years paying a mortgage like me, my
    friends, and others of our age, and over that time have called upon so
    called professionals to fix cars, kitchens, plumbing, bathrooms, electrics,
    etc etc, we and others can tell you that it is very far and few between that
    you get a job well done, WE are NOT talking about your garage, we speak
    about all the other crap out there, don't take it to heart, Would your
    garage, give me a car not checked over and with a flat tyre, Would your
    garage, charge me for a 20,000 mile service, and not even Look at the spare,
    tyre, Would your garage, fit a pump in such a way that it cut through the
    clutch and brake pipe, NO, good , but the large National firms that took
    my money and that of some of my friends did, it may be that your experience
    of the so called professional bodies that tend to our cars and homes etc is
    limited, and that is not a fault on your part, I hope you have at least been
    very lucky, in these matters. Far too many of us have not.
     
    Mike, Feb 4, 2004
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  12. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Ok Alan I take your point, but only about your garage, and the few others
    dotted about, And I don't tar all garages with the same brush, Most are not
    as good as yours, most are crap in one way or another, and they are, daubed
    with the same brush,,,,I'm not sure how old you are but if you are old
    enough to have spent the last 25 years paying a mortgage like me, my
    friends, and others of our age, and over that time have called upon so
    called professionals to fix cars, kitchens, plumbing, bathrooms, electrics,
    etc etc, we and others can tell you that it is very far and few between that
    you get a job well done, WE are NOT talking about your garage, we speak
    about all the other crap out there, don't take it to heart, Would your
    garage, give me a car not checked over and with a flat tyre, Would your
    garage, charge me for a 20,000 mile service, and not even Look at the spare,
    tyre, Would your garage, fit a pump in such a way that it cut through the
    clutch and brake pipe, NO, good , but the large National firms that took
    my money and that of some of my friends did, it may be that your experience
    of the so called professional bodies that tend to our cars and homes etc is
    limited, and that is not a fault on your part, I hope you have at least been
    very lucky, in these matters. Far too many of us have not.
     
    Mike, Feb 4, 2004
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  13. Mike

    Alan Guest

    Alan, Feb 5, 2004
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  14. Mike

    Philip Guest

    Hi Mike

    I agree, it is hard to get decent service these days in the UK. While I am
    sure there are some good dealers/garages out there, they are only as good as
    the person who deals with you or your car on the day. In my experience that
    tends to be a 18 year old, just left college having scraped through doing
    the minimum needed, bad attitude, had a skinful the night before and has
    just been dumped due to doing something he shouldn't with his girlfriends
    best friend, who is constantly sending text messages asking what the "score"
    is and interrupting what little concentration the lad has!

    What chance has your car got of a decent service or anything else :)

    Regards

    Philip
     
    Philip, Feb 8, 2004
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  15. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Yes Philip, sadly we have just about summed up the level of service we are
    likely to get these days......
     
    Mike, Feb 11, 2004
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